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What this article needs now: some ad scans, good ones. Particularly ads implying the syphonic flush toilet is his - David Gerard 21:41, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The page also needs this picture [[1]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.148.224.148 (talk) 11:41, 27 July 2013 (UTC) The picture shows Chelsea works of Thomas Crapper who is just visible among the three dark-suited men on the right.[reply]

Confusion with "crap"

The noun "crap" was in use long before he was born, but no longer used in Victorian Britain. The word had fallen out of use in Britain by the 1600s [and] did not hold this meaning in Victorian England

Any source for this dubious assertion? If it comes from Adam Hart-Davis, bless him, it is presumably, as the article already says, no more than "conjecture". The "excrement" sense of crap is in Joseph Wright's English Dialect Dictionary (1896). Eric Partridge says the noun is C18–C20 and the verb C19–C20. Flapdragon 23:23, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The term "crap" did not come from the dutch word (krappe) meaning: tight. Doesn't make sense. However, the phrase, "I need to use the crapper", was wildly used by the soldiers of that generation with the introduction of the Thomas Crappers toilet. It is possible that the phrase envolved into "I need to take a crap". This giving new context to the word crap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.52.30.126 (talk) 03:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Crapper's descendants

"As a final note It is a common belief of many people in North Wales that he has descendants who grew up in the area. They are humbled by the presence of those who they believe to be the decendants of Thomas Crapper. Whether or not this is true is yet to be estabished."

Eh? Humbled?? What's this all about and what does it contribute to the article, give or take a few typos? Flapdragon (talk) 17:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it's of interest: I changed 'north wales' into 'North Wales' some time ago. I suppose that would be correct... -- StevenDH (talk) 19:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CRAPPER'S ROYAL WARRANTS

The discussion of royal warrants bestowed upon Thomas Crapper is, I believe, in error to this extent: It states that he received royal warrants from George V, both as Prince of Wales and as king. It appears that the assertion about George V "as king" is in error, because Thomas Crapper died 27 January 1910, four months prior to the death of George V's father, Edward VII. That means it would have been impossible for Thomas Crapper to have personally received a royal warrant from George V as king, since the latter had not ascended to the throne until after Thomas Crapper's death. Perhaps what is meant is that his company received a royal warrant from George V. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueboy1938 (talk • contribs) 05:07, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing wrong with the paragraph. Read it over again. It states that the Crapper 'firm' received Royal Warrants from both Edward VII and George V when both were Princes of Wales and when each ascended to the throne. Edward died in May 1910, George V wasn't coronated until summer of 1911, a full year's time. Koplimek (talk) 09:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Crapper changed again

As of Feb 19, 2010, the answer was changed once again, rather unskillfully, to indicate Crapper's claim to the design. Whether this is pedantic insistence or vandalism is difficult to ascertain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.230.117.151 (talk) 11:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did he invent the ballcock?

The ballcock page says otherwise. Ethan Mitchell (talk) 11:57, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Crapper's identity

In the article it is said that Thomas was baptised. Which religion was he baptised from? it is unclear from the article.EsB (talk) 14:02, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is to be understood that he was from a Church of England family. Although his date of birth is not recorded the date of his baptism is. In those days infants were baptised (or "christened") a few days after birth. AdeMiami (talk) 17:08, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Picture suggestion

An editor added and then deleted this suggestion: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942170_398394826942054_1962816615_n.jpg Finding a free or fair use version may well enhance the article Fiddle Faddle 12:34, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Patent date

In the article, a citation is needed for George Crapper's 1898 patent. Actually, it was an 1897 patent and here is a citation.

Here is a link to Albert Giblin's 1898 patent # 4,990 referred to in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.81.161 (talk) 14:29, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I added these as refs to the article. They should be templated, but that is for later. I haven't checked the accuracy of the claims. Glrx (talk) 01:56, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Authentic Reproductions

I'm not sure of either the source or the meaning of those two words (in the context of "authentic reproductions of Crapper's original Victorian bathroom fittings") but I really don't like them. Perhaps they're a quote from the referenced History Today but that doesn't make them any more rational. Could the word "authentic" just go? JohnHarris (talk) 06:33, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Redirection

"Crapper" should redirect here and not to the article "Toilet", please. Really. JohnHarris (talk) 06:33, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect etymology

"The most common version ..." is stated in the article, with no supporting citation. The reference says it's a common version, but there is no evidence that it's the "most" common version. Since this is Wikipedia, it probably doesn't matter whether it's true, as long as it's truthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 19:12, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the word "crap"

The World Wide Words article is not authoritative and differs from the actual Oxford English Dictionary. The OED citations for crap^[1] and crapper^[2], as defecation and a place for it, only date from 1898 and become more prominent after 1920. There is no entry on OED.com for "crapping ken" nor is the term found under the definition of privy^[3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:F470:12:2:D6BE:D9FF:FEA0:6521 (talk) 15:09, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

The word 'crap' appears in Pepys' Diary (11 July 1660): "...and going home to take a crap, I borrowed a pair of sheets of Mr Howe and by coach went to the Navy Office..."Grungefettler (talk) 10:28, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sir John Crapper

That is where everything laughably generates as far as the word "crap" in AMERICAN lexicon. Those two names, John Harrington and Thomas Crapper, will forever be intertwined under what we were taught in school within the American curriculum.shyjayb 07:20, 5 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shyjayb (talk • contribs)

Ballcock bullhockey?

In the intro it says Crapper developed the ballcock, but he isn't mentioned in the Ballcock article. This should be rectified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mousenight (talk • contribs) 22:41, 29 November 2015

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2017

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In March 2016, Thomas Crapper & Company Ltd was acquired by Hartford Holdings [2]. Yorkshire-based Hartford Holdings owns Trojan Plastics, which is one of the largest manufacturers of acrylic baths in Europe. V28kab (talk) 09:42, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cocohead781 (talk) 04:52, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2019

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"krappen" is not a dutch word. Probably meant "krabben" (to scratch). AsbranDiamathra (talk) 19:59, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 20:47, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"John Crapper" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect John Crapper. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 23:49, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2020

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thomas crapper was one of the inventers of the toilet 142.227.81.157 (talk) 11:51, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:37, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

T.J. Crapper

I've heard Thomas Crapper referred to as T.J. Crapper with the J often referring to John. Is there any truth to this or is it a misconception

Reyburn

The cited book "Flushed with Pride" is a fictional work written by a humorist. --Dystopos (talk) 21:31, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2023

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I would like the date that Simon Kirby acquired Crapper & Co to be listed on the Wikipedia page. The year was 1999 when Kirby bought the business as shown in the Crapper & Co website: https://thomas-crapper.com/cool_timeline/1999/ Mochaboi (talk) 09:31, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lightoil (talk) 08:43, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Err, never mind

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Please correct the year of marriage to Maria from 1837 to 1860. 1837 was her date of birth. 80.189.232.176 (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 21:00, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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